Murray Gell-Mann talks about MIT

Some years ago I taped a program. I have no real recollection what it was, although it was about science, or scientists.

I remember distinctly an interview with Murray Gell-Mann, 1969 Nobel Prize winning physicist, talking about when he applied to graduate schools. There was one bit I liked so much that I played it, and recorded it with my Psion 5mx.

Time passes, and recently I came across the Psion backups that I have, and there, in a directory, is the sound file. With the assistance of jacquesm from Hacker News I've converted (well, he converted) the file to an MP3: Murray.mp3

And here is a transcription:
I was somewhat disappointed that I wasn't admitted with financial aid to an Ivy League graduate school, but I did get a very nice letter from MIT saying that my tuition would be paid by an assistantship.

I was very much down in the dumps. I thought of MIT as a terribly grubby place - and I even went so far as to contemplate suicide, instead of going to MIT.

But then it occured to me that I could always go to MIT first, and then commit suicide later, whereas the other way round wouldn't work - it's what we call in mathematics "Non Commutation" - the two things don't commute.

So there you are!